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the skeptic zone is brought to you by dr

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bob's trivia quiz visit

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and see if you can match wits with dr

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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here are your hosts richard saunders and

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richard richard we're fancy seeing you

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here why would i meet you stefan at the

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australian skeptic's national convention

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probably because you bought a ticket

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no i've actually lost i was at a thai

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restaurant and i was looking for my car

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in the car park i just happened to walk

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through the building and look there's a

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big skeptic convention what's going on

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we just stepped outside because it's

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very noisy inside i can see george

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wrapped through the window there's a jay

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novella everywhere this is a

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celebrities and all the guys from the

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chaser are here yeah

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hundreds of people it's a really big

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down under a little place

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on oh it certainly does the zone and

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it's on this week is it it's on

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what is happening for the show well

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had last night or the night before last

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and as ever we've got a week in science

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on this did the ghosts make contact find

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because they will they know the entire

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future of the entire universe

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from the audience which is always fun

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and you know dr carl is amazing i mean

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he could field any question even if he

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doesn't know the answer yeah he still

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can say okay this is who you need to

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talk to you a metallurgist but that's

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the guy who'll give you the right

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information but nevertheless all these

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questions were coming at him yeah and he

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usually could just answer them oh yeah

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yeah astonishing he at least can can

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think of so he has so much back

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experience

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as he said you know you spent 30 years

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investigating this sort of stuff you

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build up a nice catalog of

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data of information so he always had

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something he can pull from that was

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enlightening it may not have been the

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definitive answer to this specific

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question but always there was something

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he could

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pull on to enlighten the questioner and

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and point him in the right direction for

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the definitive information which is a

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very honest but still very entertaining

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and informative way to deal with

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questions from about anything about

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anything it was it was a hell of a day

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because we started off with the t the

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pre-record for a tv spot

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and then six different radio segments

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right all over australia and the bbc bam

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bam bam lunch somewhere in the middle of

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it yeah which was yummy remember at one

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point i'm like are we going to lunch now

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is that where we're headed because we i

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kept getting dragged from studio to

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studio and it was oh it was all a blur i

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totally lost track of what time it was

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because the time was flying by

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uh yeah it was just a tremendous amount

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of fun i don't know how he does that two

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days a week right i think he said

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wednesday and thursday well at least

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thursday i know it's his biggest day

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every week yeah that sort of stuff

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amazing energy it was incredible finally

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steve it's

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what a thing to think that

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you started off

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doing some skepticism locally at home

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then got into podcasting and

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here you are all these years later being

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flown to australia and new zealand next

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week of course yeah that's right we'll

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be spending a week in new zealand

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culminating with the new zealand

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national skeptical convention uh

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everyone was kind enough to uh to

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arrange these two conferences back to

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back so that we could hit them in one

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trip which we appreciate you know we we

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love being down here but it is a long

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haul for us uh so yeah i mean as you

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were observing to us you guys have flown

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halfway around the world and you fill

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the room with people who are your

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listeners and who are just thrilled you

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know to to listen to us and we're

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thrilled to meet everybody it's

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tremendous how

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uh you know a common world view

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skepticism and social media

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has brought so many people together

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across such distances yeah it's amazing

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and what it comes across especially in

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the live shows is

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how much enjoyment the whole five of you

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have

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and six with geo george rob is along

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with us he's he's you know almost an

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honorary member at this point you know

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he's just one of the family he's a great

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guy and you too i mean you know like we

359
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always comment the best part about these

360
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trips is getting to spend time with

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friends that we've made through

362
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skepticism yeah like we're close friends

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with you where we live halfway around

364
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the world from each other and we get to

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see each other once a year maybe maybe

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we make the best of it somehow it sort

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of works out yeah well the fun's just

368
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about to begin i think steve we better

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get into our good duds and head on down

370
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i'll see you down there

371
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well it's all breaking it's all

372
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happening around the bar as everything

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breaks for the 2014 skeptics conference

374
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here in sydney we're at the celubria's

375
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chatswood club tonight it's the rushing

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in hushing posty lindley from melbourne

377
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how are you you got the wrong sinatra

378
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hey how are you good good good

379
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you must be pretty excited about what's

380
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going to be going on this weekend i am i

381
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am what double j should sound like what

382
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are you looking forward to the most what

383
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double j should sound like i know you're

384
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hosting another podcast but what

385
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skeptically are you looking forward to

386
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this week uh

387
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i can't think about it at the moment

388
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sorry well if you've got something

389
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marked on your calendar for the weekend

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excitement

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people

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sorry

393
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as long as there's people for me to talk

394
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to all right and what will your subject

395
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be you're going to push some bioscience

396
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on them or what

397
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you overestimate me maynard

398
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i'm just going to talk about kim

399
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kardashian's bum like everyone else

400
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i think kim kardashian's mum speaks for

401
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itself not literally

402
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figuratively

403
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and what are you looking forward to this

404
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week as well well before you have that

405
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big drink there anyway

406
00:14:02,949 --> 00:14:01,519
um oh dr carl it's always doctor kyle

407
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yeah he's excited about everything isn't

408
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he oh that's the thing that's that's why

409
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he's so great yeah

410
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and what are you excited about this

411
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weekend uh well of course you've got the

412
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sgu here and they're a fantastic group

413
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of people but it's mostly just meeting

414
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other skeptics and just having a general

415
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chin wag yeah just despite all the

416
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skeptics in the public go on they don't

417
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actually get together in the same place

418
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all that often do they no well there's

419
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the virtual space we're always on

420
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facebook and twitter and that so i think

421
00:14:32,470 --> 00:14:26,480
we keep in touch that way but it's good

422
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things have happened richard uh how is

423
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it going so far it's only a few seconds

424
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into it things gone wrong yet maynard

425
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what the hell's happened i went upstairs

426
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for two minutes and suddenly the room is

427
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full of skeptics what's going on with

428
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you what can we expect from you tonight

429
00:14:51,350 --> 00:14:48,800
for me uh well it's my birthday is it i

430
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don't mind saying it's my birthday 29

431
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again i'm going to have a great day at

432
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night

433
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looking

434
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joe alabaster our reporter hello joe i'm

435
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fantastic i believe you've got an injury

436
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cloud going on i've got a what an injury

437
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cloud you're not well

438
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i'm fine now actually thank you for

439
00:15:08,310 --> 00:15:06,639
bringing it up oh my horribly violent

440
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illness i'm great now thank you very

441
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much you're looking quite fine tonight

442
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and you've got quite a pattern dress on

443
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very good thank you looking great you're

444
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actually rather iridescent yourself yeah

445
00:15:18,389 --> 00:15:17,279
it's a suit i haven't worn since 1990

446
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but it's looking good

447
00:15:21,990 --> 00:15:20,160
it does it's fantastic thank you it's

448
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like wearing a big bit of plastic

449
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and we have a special guest from the uk

450
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what's your name sir it's marsh but i

451
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wouldn't go as far as special i'm not

452
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sure i'm not sure i qualified let's not

453
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build things up too much and we're all

454
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excited to have you here because

455
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everyone listens to the skeptics with

456
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the k and what else do you do uh what

457
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else do i do i do the be reasonable

458
00:15:39,350 --> 00:15:37,600
podcast where i talk to people who i

459
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disagree with in nice ways and figure

460
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out why we disagree on things that's fun

461
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i work for the good thinking society

462
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which means i'm one of the only

463
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full-time skeptics in the uk as a

464
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full-time job and that means i get to

465
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monkey with people who kind of deserve

466
00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:51,920
it a little bit and i think i say monkey

467
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you say monkey

468
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now is brian cox from manual area of the

469
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world uh not far off yes so he's from

470
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manchester so i'm in liverpool there's a

471
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big rivalry

472
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yeah yeah

473
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for 35 miles of difference if uh if

474
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you're not in liverpool you're a

475
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foreigner even if you're in manchester

476
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that's how how vibrant this rivalry is

477
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but it's all kind hearted it's all the

478
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way i can promise the listeners will

479
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have a much longer interview over the

480
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weekend because i want to have a

481
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certificate and you bring the you

482
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brought the big big big book of

483
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with you

484
00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:20,399
yeah the giant book of fantastic facts

485
00:16:23,749 --> 00:16:22,079
which is a lot of rubbish it is it's

486
00:16:25,509 --> 00:16:23,759
brilliant it's a book that um so mike

487
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hall from skeptics to the k he had this

488
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book as a kid and then he looked back

489
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over it and thought hang on most of this

490
00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:31,040
was so one of one of the

491
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seconds we did on the show every week

492
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was he'd go through one of the stories

493
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in the book and then find out whether it

494
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was true or not and some of the stuff in

495
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there is just bonkers and then other

496
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bits turn out to be actually true and

497
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that's even weirder in a lot of ways

498
00:16:44,629 --> 00:16:43,120
yeah now i remember listening to your

499
00:16:46,550 --> 00:16:44,639
podcast and there is a member of your

500
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crew that travels very light only takes

501
00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:47,759
one pair of underpants with them and

502
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they travel is that you no no that's

503
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mike

504
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three-piece suit yes never anything else

505
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other than the three because he figures

506
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at that point he can't be underdressed

507
00:16:59,110 --> 00:16:58,240
that's true for any occasion but it

508
00:17:00,870 --> 00:16:59,120
doesn't mean that he'll just take a

509
00:17:01,910 --> 00:17:00,880
laptop bag with a pair of pants just for

510
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two weeks

511
00:17:05,189 --> 00:17:02,800
hey and

512
00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:05,199
speak in a bad language recently one of

513
00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:06,959
your episodes was pulled so to speak

514
00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:08,480
because of a bit of a problem can you

515
00:17:13,029 --> 00:17:10,559
let us in on what kind of problem it was

516
00:17:14,549 --> 00:17:13,039
or not a legal one a rude one you gave

517
00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:14,559
someone's name away so you've got to

518
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:16,319
keep between the two of us but basically

519
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:18,480
i'm an idiot essentially and i think i

520
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went into a bit more detail on the story

521
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than i probably would have liked it on

522
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:22,720
assuming that was ongoing so i kind of

523
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:24,240
figured let's let's keep a few more of

524
00:17:27,429 --> 00:17:26,000
the cards back so that uh in the future

525
00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:27,439
we're going to talk about it so the show

526
00:17:30,549 --> 00:17:28,720
went out we're very happy with it and

527
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:30,559
nothing i said was legally bad anything

528
00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:32,640
like that and then i kind of thought

529
00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:33,919
maybe i shouldn't have gone into as much

530
00:17:37,029 --> 00:17:35,360
detail giving the game away you were

531
00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:37,039
thinking yeah exactly yeah yeah because

532
00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:38,320
it was one of those things where more

533
00:17:41,029 --> 00:17:39,600
stuff kind of happened and we realized

534
00:17:42,549 --> 00:17:41,039
it was a bit more of a future to things

535
00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:42,559
that we were looking to do and it was

536
00:17:45,669 --> 00:17:44,240
just better to have a few more cards

537
00:17:47,590 --> 00:17:45,679
close the chest i think has this become

538
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the last episode that people are passing

539
00:17:51,190 --> 00:17:49,520
around on bittorrent and stuff like that

540
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:51,200
well actually annoyingly yes because

541
00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:53,039
someone actually said oh the episode's

542
00:17:55,750 --> 00:17:54,240
gone missing but i've got it here i'm

543
00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:55,760
going to put it up on this other sort of

544
00:17:58,710 --> 00:17:56,960
horse thing thing

545
00:18:00,230 --> 00:17:58,720
no no that's why we didn't sort of a

546
00:18:01,590 --> 00:18:00,240
reason why we pulled it so the show's

547
00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:01,600
back out but it's just a little bit

548
00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:03,440
edited to remove a few things that uh we

549
00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:05,360
didn't want in there but they'll tell

550
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:06,559
the whole story again in the future

551
00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:07,679
there's nothing to hide them we'll have

552
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:09,200
a longer interview later in the weekend

553
00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:12,720
to the bar excellent we'll do

554
00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:14,160
oh and she's back from melbourne she's

555
00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:15,520
back from melbourne for the big weekend

556
00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:17,200
that troublemaker

557
00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:19,120
yeah hello joe bennett how are you hey

558
00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:21,120
maynard i'm very well how are you it's

559
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:23,039
an exciting weekend of skeptical action

560
00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:24,640
here in chatswood it is it's going to be

561
00:18:29,110 --> 00:18:26,720
a fabulous weekend the convention really

562
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:29,120
really looks great the lineup's fabulous

563
00:18:34,310 --> 00:18:31,200
um there's still tickets left but we've

564
00:18:36,310 --> 00:18:34,320
really really done brilliantly um

565
00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:36,320
what can i say we've got the sgu we've

566
00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:38,559
got george frapp we've got the guys from

567
00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:40,799
the chaser in checkout

568
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:42,880
what are you looking forward to yourself

569
00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:45,039
well as one of the organizers

570
00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:47,039
and from my experience when we did town

571
00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:49,440
australia for just over four years ago

572
00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:51,440
now i'm probably not going to see very

573
00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:52,240
much

574
00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:54,240
so i'm looking forward to the video

575
00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:55,360
those who are actually working as the

576
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:56,880
bouncer if anyone gets yeah you give

577
00:18:59,990 --> 00:18:58,320
people you can people if there's too

578
00:19:01,909 --> 00:19:00,000
much trouble

579
00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:01,919
this is the woman the woman that gives

580
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:03,520
people the bums rush if there's too much

581
00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:06,000
trouble joe benny here ben are you she's

582
00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:07,520
an anal nurse

583
00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:11,120
this conversation okay so what's your

584
00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:13,360
speciality i work in radiation oncology

585
00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:15,360
i'm a clinical trials coordinator she's

586
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:17,679
now she says she's now i use i used to

587
00:19:21,190 --> 00:19:19,679
deal with all the bombs

588
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:21,200
but no more

589
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:31,110
everybody's here everybody in australia

590
00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:32,559
is doing a podcast this year and who've

591
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:34,080
we got here i'm ross i'm from

592
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:35,760
skeptically challenged look i've heard

593
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:37,200
your recent show i listened to it on the

594
00:19:41,029 --> 00:19:38,640
way here today and you were sounded

595
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:41,039
really excited oh i am really excited

596
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:43,200
this is my first convention three years

597
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:45,200
in a row i've been at least 2 000

598
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:47,280
kilometers away from the convention

599
00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:49,200
so to finally get here and especially

600
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:50,640
with the lineup we've got this year and

601
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:51,840
the amount of work the australian

602
00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:54,080
skeptics have done it's amazing

603
00:19:58,390 --> 00:19:56,080
and the brisbane skeptic society has

604
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:58,400
brought a whole bunch of people down

605
00:20:02,310 --> 00:19:59,919
and what's the big issue of skip for

606
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:02,320
skepticism in the north well obviously

607
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:04,240
we've got the avn pretty close by and

608
00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:06,320
we're we're always sort of fighting that

609
00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:08,240
uh and otherwise it's the normal general

610
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:10,640
things you know chiropractors homeopaths

611
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:12,799
all that kind of thing um the yowie of

612
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:14,720
course is big upper there at the moment

613
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:17,120
yeah okay and what's your favorite area

614
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:19,200
of wu in your podcast you cover all

615
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:21,600
sorts of things i mean you are a trained

616
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:23,280
what do you work as again so i'm a

617
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:25,280
researcher in virology so for me i guess

618
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:26,799
the medical woo is what i feel most

619
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:29,280
comfortable debunking but honestly i

620
00:20:32,789 --> 00:20:31,120
like the weird stuff i like the ufos and

621
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:32,799
the yaoi sightings because the

622
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:35,280
psychology is so much more interesting

623
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:36,320
with that

624
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:37,840
so i mentioned the whole ebola thing

625
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:39,039
would have made you really mad the way

626
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:40,080
it was covered

627
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:41,520
yeah i've been covering that well i

628
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:43,120
tried not to cover it every week and i

629
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:44,880
really could have done um i think the

630
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:47,120
homeopaths going over there

631
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:48,799
that was really you know that was

632
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:51,039
something that uh i got my back up a bit

633
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,280
but other than that um yeah it's it's

634
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,120
it's just a thing people like to fear

635
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:57,039
something and for the past six weeks

636
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:59,200
it's ebola next next couple weeks it'll

637
00:21:01,909 --> 00:21:00,960
be something else

638
00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:01,919
good what are you looking forward to

639
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:03,679
this weekend well all of it you know

640
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:05,440
obviously the sgu are here for the first

641
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:07,120
time in years did you have a tricky

642
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:09,679
virology uh a virus question for them

643
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,120
you know what i wish i had and i've been

644
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:13,760
so busy with uni and my own podcast and

645
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:15,919
all the brisbane skeptic society stuff i

646
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:17,280
didn't even have time to send in a

647
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:19,600
question and i i wish i had

648
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:21,600
although with knowing my luck steve

649
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:22,799
would have known the answer anyway he

650
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:24,000
probably would anyway yes because he's

651
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:25,919
done a bit of study yes he has certainly

652
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:26,799
done that

653
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:28,240
you have a good night you too thanks

654
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:33,110
well the news coming out of the

655
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,960
convention folks if i can break into the

656
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:36,559
skeptic zone like this i guess i can

657
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:39,039
it's my podcast is the bench spoon was

658
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:41,840
won by dr larry marshall from the csiro

659
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:44,480
for his promotion or

660
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,360
like

661
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:47,520
looking into funding water dividing in

662
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:50,000
studies like that well deserved not and

663
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:52,159
in a quiet corner well semi-quiet corner

664
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:54,000
of the convention which is

665
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:55,200
underway

666
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,000
it's joe alabaster hello joe hello

667
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:00,240
richard i'd just like to let you all

668
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:01,760
know that i'll be bringing you a report

669
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:04,000
next week with my

670
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:05,760
views on the convention how it went

671
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:07,600
having a fantastic time

672
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:10,000
very very very busy

673
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,799
and

674
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:12,799
this week i'd like to give a quick thank

675
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:15,280
you a very heartfelt thank you

676
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:18,159
to a sponsor of the show who's actually

677
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,480
funded my ticket to be here i'm really

678
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:22,240
very much appreciative

679
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,120
and that is stephen roberts from dr

680
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,440
bob's trivia quiz i'd like to say huge

681
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,440
thank you i hope that

682
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,960
you get some value out of your report

683
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:32,159
next week

684
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:35,280
also i'd like to quickly thank phil kent

685
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:38,320
and the mysterious group who also got me

686
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:39,919
a ticket to the dinner which was

687
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:43,120
fantastic i had a wonderful time and i

688
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:44,400
really look forward to bringing you a

689
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:45,760
report next week

690
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:47,360
thank you joe it's good to see you here

691
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,120
i can tell you're pretty worn out as we

692
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:51,039
all are why don't we go around the

693
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:53,120
corner uh have a

694
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:55,840
look at some more of the convention

695
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,000
and we'll bring you lots of reports from

696
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:00,480
maynard from joe alabasta from myself

697
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,110
on

698
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:20,480
maynard.com this is a time where tim

699
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:28,630
tim ferguson's right of reply what's

700
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:30,559
been sticking in your craw

701
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,960
the pope i mean normally i wouldn't go

702
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:34,480
saying things against the pope because

703
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,520
he seems like a very kindly man this

704
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:39,840
pope got everybody in the inner city in

705
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:42,400
glebe saying wow what a guy like he says

706
00:23:45,270 --> 00:23:43,679
it's great that

707
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:45,280
people can be gay they're welcome in the

708
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,679
church people can be murderers you know

709
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:49,440
that's okay i actually heard him

710
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,720
described as the atheists pope and what

711
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:54,400
do people know what that means yeah

712
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,480
atheists have to take a long hard look

713
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,559
at themselves in fact not too long not

714
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,480
too hard because a lot of atheists

715
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:02,640
really aren't much to look at which is

716
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:04,320
part of the reason why they don't trust

717
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:07,520
god on maynard.com dot a u

718
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:15,510
welcome to a week in science from rios

719
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:17,120
bringing you the science you need to

720
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:20,400
know the jetsons futurama back to the

721
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:22,799
future sci-fi has been promising this

722
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,789
well for just 280 000 you may soon be

723
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,120
able to buy your own the transition

724
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,279
drives like a normal car from home to

725
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:39,440
your local airfield ready for takeoff

726
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,159
and can then travel 740 kilometers in

727
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:44,400
the air on a single tank of regular

728
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,120
unleaded petrol the company behind it

729
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,360
terrafugia also have a model that

730
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:51,600
removes the need for a runway using a

731
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:54,320
megawatt of power for vertical takeoff

732
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:56,720
the pal-v from the netherlands isn't a

733
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,640
plane style vehicle but is more of a

734
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,799
gyrocopter with foldable helicopter

735
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,480
blades for takeoff

736
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,080
these will more likely be used for

737
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:06,159
security defense and flying doctor

738
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:07,919
services rather than for the general

739
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,919
public there are lots of other great

740
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:11,919
designs too check out our website for

741
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,559
links

742
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:16,559
these models are still a far cry from

743
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,559
futurama if you wanted to feel like

744
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,240
you're actually driving in air you'd

745
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:22,640
need to somehow defy gravity

746
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:25,600
one idea is magnetic levitation we put

747
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,000
magnetic superconductors into our roads

748
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:30,080
and magnets with the same polarity into

749
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:32,720
our cars they repel making the car float

750
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:35,200
just above the road physicist michio

751
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,039
kaku predicts that we could just blow on

752
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:39,039
them and they'd start to move reducing

753
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:41,440
the fuel used to overcome friction

754
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:43,600
but the costs of replacing our existing

755
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,919
roads are too high for it to happen plus

756
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:48,000
they'd still follow a road network so

757
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:49,360
you couldn't really zoom around the

758
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:51,520
skies anyway and you can imagine the

759
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:54,000
safety legal and licensing barriers to

760
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:57,039
this sci-fi dream and now 4 fast facts

761
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:02,230
waldo waterman built the first flying

762
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,520
car called the aerobile in 1934 for an

763
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:07,279
american bureau of aeronautics

764
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:09,760
competition in road car crashes the

765
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,840
average chance of dying is less than one

766
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:13,760
percent but if all these accidents

767
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,480
happened in the air there'd be a 5 to 25

768
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,720
chance of dying in each one one of the

769
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,400
biggest engineering challenges for

770
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,880
flying cars is weight often the features

771
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,880
that make a good car add too much weight

772
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:26,799
for it to be a small plane and the

773
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,720
military is already investing in this

774
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,480
technology with the us government

775
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,320
recently revealing their black knight

776
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,640
transformer an off-road army truck with

777
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,880
eight rotors that pop out for takeoff

778
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:38,880
that's it for this week in science for

779
00:26:43,710 --> 00:26:41,039
more information on flying cars go to

780
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:43,720
the rails website

781
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:46,880
riaus.org dot a u follow us on twitter

782
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:49,600
at rios and like us on facebook i'm

783
00:27:06,230 --> 00:26:51,120
kiran groom and we'll catch you next

784
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:10,390
here's maynard's spooky action

785
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:29,110
maynard's spooky action this week is

786
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:30,799
part two of our

787
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:33,039
ghost adventure to the field of ma

788
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:36,720
cemetery in ride with ghost hunters down

789
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:38,080
under

790
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:41,360
join maynard alethia dean and myself

791
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:43,520
as we try our luck

792
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:44,559
luck

793
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:46,840
we try our skill

794
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,640
skill at the ouija board

795
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:52,480
were we successful

796
00:28:22,070 --> 00:27:54,559
in contacting

797
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:24,789
yes you said you saw something then yep

798
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:27,840
what was it oh just some movement over

799
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,120
here a white blue black blue a grey blur

800
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,840
probably grey okay wasn't it a shape of

801
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,440
anything it was just only about this big

802
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,360
and it was just some movement

803
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:39,279
over there wasn't a bird though it

804
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:40,799
wasn't flying

805
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:43,360
so yeah they got in the car and the cast

806
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:44,799
but out of control

807
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,480
their actual brake was stuck

808
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,640
and the car went 100

809
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,080
k's

810
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:55,200
up this road and smashed into this tree

811
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,640
and the lady passed away instantly um i

812
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:00,960
never managed to get her name

813
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:04,080
but i know she apparently she does

814
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,520
hang around here

815
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,679
the cottage is just there

816
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:09,440
all right the guys who are the

817
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,159
caretakers they just hang around over on

818
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:14,720
the other side of the cottage which is

819
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:16,640
what where their office is

820
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,399
all right we when we actually spoke to

821
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:20,399
them they told us their cottage there's

822
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,919
quite a lot of things going on inside

823
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:23,200
the cottage

824
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:24,480
and

825
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:26,960
they they asked us as well to try to

826
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,159
come up with some evidence of it so far

827
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:32,399
we haven't got anything

828
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:36,159
and that is why we do come here we try

829
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:38,559
to get as much evidence for them to

830
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:39,679
prove

831
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,960
what might be or might not be here

832
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,039
have you got any hypothesis or theory

833
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,960
about what might be

834
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:50,240
not as yet

835
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,840
what they say that happens inside the

836
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:55,679
cottage we haven't actually investigated

837
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,880
the cottage

838
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,880
right but you can actually go up to the

839
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:01,039
cottage you put your hand on the wall

840
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,799
you can actually feel like if it's still

841
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:04,799
warm there is a fireplace inside the

842
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:06,080
cottage

843
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:09,200
right and they do say that it it kind of

844
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:10,640
is um

845
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:12,399
haunted as they put it

846
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:15,039
like the guys who work here are actually

847
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:23,110
look uh aletha i believe i believe you

848
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:24,720
just had an incredibly frightening

849
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,919
experience

850
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,760
yeah i just walked straight into a

851
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:29,440
spider

852
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,520
i heard i heard the word snap and i

853
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:33,360
could feel the webbing on me

854
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:38,630
it's still under the tree but the poor

855
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,640
thing has to rebuild well one of the

856
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,720
great things about seeing people walk

857
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:44,159
into a spider web is from a distance you

858
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,360
can't see them so suddenly they're

859
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,720
walking normally and then suddenly they

860
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,960
go into into kung fu poses and stuff

861
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:50,000
like that and you don't know what

862
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:52,080
they're doing but i hope you recover now

863
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:53,840
you're about to have a go at the ouija

864
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,840
board with richard saunders now what's

865
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:57,279
the way that two people haven't done it

866
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:58,720
before do it

867
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:00,559
i'm gonna do it

868
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:02,480
i'll throw the odd one out man

869
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:03,679
what i might do is actually get

870
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:06,320
everybody to move over here so okay

871
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,559
once you're in a spot of uh

872
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,399
happiness just place your finger gently

873
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:13,200
on there enough for the piece to move

874
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,640
if you feel that you moved it please

875
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:15,919
call out that you've moved it so we

876
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:19,440
don't all mistake it as a a situation

877
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,480
where we want so

878
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,559
we mean no harm no disrespect we just

879
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:26,720
wish to communicate with you please use

880
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:34,070
we mean no disrespect whatsoever

881
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:35,440
i guess we just won't have to catch up

882
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,190
this centerpiece is very easy to move if

883
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:49,760
you would just move it to a number

884
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:55,430
what year were you born in

885
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:56,720
do you remember the year that you were

886
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,310
what name were you known by

887
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:04,080
did you have any children

888
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:05,679
with our fingers resting on the

889
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,480
planchette we waited

890
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:10,240
and waited

891
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:18,320
nothing happened

892
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,760
is anyone here at all please come

893
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,279
forward and talk to us

894
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,960
if my guardian is here can you please

895
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:24,880
come forward and say hi i've not spoken

896
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:34,230
don't be shy

897
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,789
we are aware there's a lot on the board

898
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,640
so can you just make it move just to let

899
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:40,240
us know you are here

900
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,070
there's something about walking around a

901
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:53,120
graveyard at night on your own

902
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:55,039
for the first time

903
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:56,640
you tempted to go all sort of blair

904
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:59,360
witch and talk really quiet like that

905
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,519
i'm sure the people here on either side

906
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:03,600
of me might be able to hear me might not

907
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:05,760
be able to hear me

908
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:10,549
it is

909
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,399
remarkably calm

910
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,880
and peaceful place

911
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:16,640
you've got all those very stark

912
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:19,279
headstones and monuments set up against

913
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,559
the sky

914
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,960
and the bright light pollution of sydney

915
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:25,120
in the background starkly illuminates

916
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:27,200
the palm trees

917
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:35,110
and apart from the background roar of

918
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:37,760
the city all you can really hear is

919
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:40,720
your feet walking along broken concrete

920
00:33:44,000 --> 00:34:00,070
on a twig or something like that

921
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,750
and how many times have you been here is

922
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,840
it a little bit familiar to you now yeah

923
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:05,519
let's go now this is my third time now

924
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,880
okay so uh

925
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,560
i'd like not much has happened as much

926
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,240
as i'd like but uh you know i keep

927
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,159
coming back with the uh i guess

928
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:14,480
enthusiasm that something will happen so

929
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:15,919
i guess on one side you can call me a

930
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:17,599
skeptic on half the stuff that people

931
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,879
claim and on the other side i've

932
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:20,480
experienced some things that

933
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:22,800
you know i believe are real so

934
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:23,520
and

935
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,079
before we were doing the ouija session

936
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,720
that um well you wanted us or the

937
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,720
spirits to show us what you'd

938
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,639
experienced previously what was that

939
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,800
oh there's been all sorts uh i mean the

940
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,399
first thing i i feel with the ouija

941
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:38,399
boards i've been doing it for so long is

942
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:39,679
half the people you talk to on the board

943
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:40,879
are full of

944
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:42,399
um straight off the bat like you know

945
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:43,599
they'll sit there and they'll claim that

946
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:44,720
there's somebody that they're not and

947
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:47,359
they just want to muck around um so i've

948
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,639
dealt with a lot of those sort of people

949
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:51,119
before uh i think the most extreme cases

950
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,800
are the lights turning off and one

951
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,879
actually breaking on demand which was

952
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:56,320
absolutely mental

953
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:58,000
um and then there's another guy that

954
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,920
claims to be my guardian and i've spoken

955
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,440
to him a few times over the last few

956
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:03,520
years and uh you know apparently this is

957
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,960
my last lifetime before we're going to

958
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:07,200
meet up and all that sort of jab just

959
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:08,560
sending shivers down my smiling cross

960
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:09,680
i've got goosebumps right now i'm

961
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:11,359
talking about it but that's what

962
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,359
fascinates me about the ouija board and

963
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:14,880
and something i'd like to ask both of

964
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,680
you um you've you've seen many things

965
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:19,440
here you've seen many things happening

966
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,599
that appear to be from another realm is

967
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:23,599
there an answer you could possibly get

968
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:26,160
would answer what you're doing or what

969
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:27,280
you're looking for here is there

970
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:28,640
something an experience you could have

971
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,190
no because the questions are endless

972
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:37,359
like seriously they're endless like

973
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:39,200
there will be one main question that i

974
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:41,599
always ask and that is can you see us

975
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,760
and how do you see us

976
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:45,680
a lot of the times we get answers saying

977
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:48,720
yes and but there's never an actual

978
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,280
answer to the how do you see us

979
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:53,920
because we see them as shadows we see

980
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:56,480
them as

981
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:58,160
whatever they want to perceive

982
00:36:02,069 --> 00:35:59,680
themselves as

983
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:02,079
but at the same time i want to know if

984
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,480
they can see us how we see them

985
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:06,400
is there any answer you'd like you go

986
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,839
great finally

987
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:09,280
uh the only way you're ever going to get

988
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,119
me to admit that you know something is

989
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:13,359
100 as if one sat in front of me and had

990
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,800
a full conversation with me like you and

991
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,800
i are right now simple as that i mean

992
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:18,720
and essentially you know i mean people

993
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:20,079
that come here i think they come here

994
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,680
with a certain expectations and there's

995
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,440
days that you don't get anything and

996
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,800
they're the annoying ones because you

997
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,480
know you believe there is something here

998
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:28,640
uh nothing will ever explain anything to

999
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,880
me to be honest uh so i guess the short

1000
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:32,079
answer is no

1001
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:33,440
so

1002
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:35,359
maybe one day but yeah i'll come just

1003
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:36,800
for the experience like i said i've

1004
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:39,920
never seen anything i'm more audible and

1005
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,880
uh

1006
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:42,320
ouija board simple as that so people

1007
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,920
that claim to see shadows i've never

1008
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:45,520
witnessed it so i think some of it's a

1009
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:47,200
bit of bollocks

1010
00:36:51,119 --> 00:37:01,430
did you want to

1011
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,589
yes no device here

1012
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,200
can you make

1013
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,520
the light go green for yes

1014
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,359
red for no

1015
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:11,200
and just put your hands somebody put the

1016
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:17,750
now there's there's something i haven't

1017
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,160
seen before and and it would actually be

1018
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:22,400
useful with live humans as well that is

1019
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,880
a yes no device um how does that work

1020
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,160
and what is it

1021
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:28,320
okay now what it is some people in light

1022
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,839
in real life are pretty ambivalent when

1023
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:31,280
you know they really they mean maybe

1024
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:33,280
most of the time don't they well correct

1025
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,640
i mean uh i think this actually came uh

1026
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,880
it can be useful for people with um uh

1027
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,560
speech impediments or whatever maybe you

1028
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:42,880
can go a yes or no okay just simple

1029
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,040
whatever it may be now what it does the

1030
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:47,280
device on each end of it emits a little

1031
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,839
um em feel okay and as soon as that um

1032
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:51,119
field is broken

1033
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:53,119
the light goes off all comes on sorry

1034
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,119
yeah so obviously they put a green on

1035
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,119
one side for a yes and a red on one side

1036
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:59,119
for now and it's purely simple as that

1037
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:01,040
so the energy level can come here and

1038
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,960
break that back um that field

1039
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:04,720
the light actually comes along and so

1040
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:05,920
everyone just keeps their hands away

1041
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,960
from is that the way it works yeah

1042
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:08,640
correct yeah that electronic devices and

1043
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:11,599
everything else so wow

1044
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:13,280
and is that useful when the ouija

1045
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,880
board's not quite working too well well

1046
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,560
it's actually just another electronic

1047
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:18,240
validation so we're actually adding a

1048
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:21,280
visual aid now okay to the table now i

1049
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:22,800
saw you use a bit of jargon there you

1050
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,240
said that there was a bit of a k2

1051
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,640
reading what's that sorry okay now

1052
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:28,880
again i spoke about the uh the meter i'm

1053
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,160
sorry the um

1054
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,400
uh the yes no emitting an ammonium field

1055
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,560
the k2 meter itself also emits a little

1056
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,160
field on the front of it now if that's

1057
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:37,839
actually broken the stronger the energy

1058
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:39,920
it gives a milligram ready by a light

1059
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:41,200
indication

1060
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,119
so we can actually go from one green to

1061
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:44,880
two greens to an orange all the way

1062
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:47,440
right up to red so that's measuring an

1063
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,560
uh an electric field correct yeah yes

1064
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:52,880
electrical uh sorry electronic energy

1065
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:56,000
okay yes i'll see what's going on

1066
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,550
no no

1067
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:04,720
okay

1068
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,470
no joking around

1069
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:12,640
how old are you

1070
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:14,000
you could be the little boy from the

1071
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:14,960
start

1072
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:15,920
no

1073
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,990
98.

1074
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:23,680
okay thank you

1075
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:24,720
so

1076
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,670
tomorrow

1077
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:35,190
yeah look you're just telling us that

1078
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:37,040
this is the most uh action you've had on

1079
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,960
a ouija board recently uh why do you

1080
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:40,320
think that is

1081
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:43,280
like i said possibly high energy levels

1082
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:44,800
that we've um

1083
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,800
a lot of people are very active and

1084
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:49,200
pretty energetic tonight so

1085
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,640
um and then possibly the new moon that

1086
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:54,560
we're going to be having tonight

1087
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:56,079
because we found that um on two

1088
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:57,680
occasions we've done investigations on

1089
00:40:01,510 --> 00:40:00,000
four moons and we don't get anything do

1090
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:01,520
you think the time of the night matters

1091
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:03,200
it's about 11 30 at the moment do you

1092
00:40:06,310 --> 00:40:04,480
think the later it gets the better or

1093
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:06,320
not no no it doesn't matter if the

1094
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:09,040
activities there is there 24 7.

1095
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,320
it doesn't matter about the three

1096
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,400
o'clock role or midnight raw it doesn't

1097
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:14,720
matter if the energy levels that people

1098
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:16,240
are giving out you're going to get

1099
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,880
activity if people don't have the energy

1100
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:20,480
levels then you're not going to get

1101
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,440
anything

1102
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:23,680
it's all to do with

1103
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,190
and so our ghost adventure came to an

1104
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:39,920
end thank you to alethia dean

1105
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:41,839
for helping to arrange

1106
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:43,359
this little excursion into the

1107
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,359
mysterious and the strange

1108
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,520
which turned out to be

1109
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:50,160
uh well not so mysterious and strange

1110
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:51,680
after all

1111
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:55,040
yes and the second time around the

1112
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,119
ouija board seemed to come alive with

1113
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,720
the planchette moving all around the

1114
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,079
place

1115
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,119
one might suspect the idiom motor action

1116
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:05,119
played its part

1117
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:08,400
very well in this situation

1118
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:11,680
nevertheless it was a fascinating night

1119
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:14,560
filled with very interesting

1120
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:16,960
ghost hunter type characters

1121
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:19,200
and people along

1122
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,920
to explore and discover i guess

1123
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,520
i always learned something on these

1124
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:25,440
adventures

1125
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:28,240
and soon we headed off back home

1126
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:38,150
well we're in the skeptic mobile on the

1127
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:41,599
way home now and i've just had a very

1128
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,400
intense interesting night

1129
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:46,800
at ride cemetery it's almost midnight

1130
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:49,280
and it's almost midnight uh look i i

1131
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:52,079
found it uh life affirming in some ways

1132
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,680
being in a cemetery in the middle of the

1133
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,000
night alethia you were actually on the

1134
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:58,319
ouija board that was actually moving

1135
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:01,280
yeah it was going around um

1136
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:04,480
giving a number of messages some were

1137
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:07,680
contradictory um but the organizers said

1138
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:10,000
a lot of the time these spirits will

1139
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,000
joke around

1140
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,319
so that was the explanation for things

1141
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,480
not necessarily making sense

1142
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:18,240
and also like i said if you were a

1143
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:19,760
spirit in another realm would you really

1144
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,359
want to talk to richard saunders anyway

1145
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,599
which explains why no one was talking to

1146
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,280
you on the board richard

1147
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:27,040
i must admit made out when i tried the

1148
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:28,480
old ouija board there with the leather

1149
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,280
and a few other people it didn't move a

1150
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:33,119
jot

1151
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:34,880
yeah and what did you find the most

1152
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:37,520
interesting part of the night alithea

1153
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:39,440
um i think

1154
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,720
from this experience and also the

1155
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,640
previous experience it was both of the

1156
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,880
times the way people reacted and to me

1157
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:46,640
that's that's very interesting because i

1158
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,200
don't necessarily believe in

1159
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:52,000
the ghostly side but i do think that

1160
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,040
people

1161
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:54,960
are feeling something very genuine to

1162
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,720
themselves and it's really interesting

1163
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,480
to see

1164
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,240
from the skeptic's point of view how the

1165
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:02,319
believers interact and how they're

1166
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:05,359
interpreting the same situation

1167
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,079
and

1168
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:08,880
it's quite i i i really enjoyed being

1169
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:09,760
there

1170
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,640
but the problem i have is that um i

1171
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:14,079
wasn't uh

1172
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:15,359
i wasn't

1173
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:17,599
as much into the experience but also i

1174
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:19,119
didn't want the experience that these

1175
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:20,560
had there were people there that were

1176
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:23,200
seeing things and hearing things and i

1177
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,920
would be really that would scare me um i

1178
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:27,359
don't i don't care where it's coming

1179
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,720
from i that would really scare me

1180
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:30,079
alethia and that that was the thing i'm

1181
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:33,440
just too i'm a scaredy cat

1182
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,800
maybe

1183
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,720
i was because i was a bit on the board

1184
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:38,319
side for a lot of it you know when

1185
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,839
there's nothing much happening and

1186
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:41,599
there's a lot of standing around i think

1187
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:43,760
i would have welcomed a little

1188
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:46,079
little spooky action you would have you

1189
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:47,920
liked some spooky close action maybe

1190
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:50,079
from an orb or a bit of a there was a

1191
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:51,119
bit of a

1192
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:52,880
a black mist getting around there i was

1193
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:55,119
told we kept on missing stuff people

1194
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:57,680
were reporting seeing a man walking

1195
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,119
across where there was no one there

1196
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:00,880
people reported seeing and approaching

1197
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:02,960
black mass

1198
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:03,839
people

1199
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:06,400
said they saw a orb floating close to

1200
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:07,599
the ground

1201
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:08,480
and

1202
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,280
we unfortunately missed all of that

1203
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,960
and uh richard because nothing came near

1204
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:15,040
you at all

1205
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:18,560
of my life may not no ghosts no orbs no

1206
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,319
ouija board experiences no mysterious

1207
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,720
touches on the shoulder that was a pity

1208
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,400
we even missed the we even missed the

1209
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,079
spirit box people were apparently

1210
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,240
chatting to someone called steve on the

1211
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:32,480
spirit box but by the time we got there

1212
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:35,440
the messages i recorded a bit of that

1213
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,560
and i i think that the people listening

1214
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:40,560
to the skeptic zone should engage with

1215
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,920
these people they've got they're on

1216
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:43,839
facebook and that get in there and and

1217
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:44,720
see

1218
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,160
why they're doing what they're doing and

1219
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,400
i really like the idea that

1220
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:50,640
they're that if you could answer if you

1221
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:52,880
could ask a question of the other realm

1222
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,200
and get an answer everyone was certainly

1223
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:57,440
asking that in fact i don't think you

1224
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,560
weren't really interested in a question

1225
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,319
at all were you richard

1226
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:02,400
no but i i like your point uh i think

1227
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:03,920
our listeners would would really do

1228
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:05,440
themselves a favor

1229
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:08,000
in going at least on one ghost tour just

1230
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,839
to experience what it's like what's set

1231
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,760
on a ghost tour what to expect what not

1232
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:13,119
to expect

1233
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,800
i think any good skeptic should at least

1234
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,240
give it a go

1235
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:18,240
yeah alithea what do you think same and

1236
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:19,760
i think go

1237
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:22,480
with an genuinely open mind because i

1238
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:23,760
think

1239
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,560
uh

1240
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,400
none of us none of us went over with

1241
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,800
this sort of debunking approach we

1242
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,560
wanted to experience it

1243
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,240
i love the girls on the handline they

1244
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,839
were having a great time and everyone

1245
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:35,440
was really good and it was almost like i

1246
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:37,040
was well it was great it was night time

1247
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,079
but it should have been daylight we got

1248
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,240
to sat around have a chat a few drinks i

1249
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:42,640
mean really obviously we are the sad

1250
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,800
ones going home those hens going to that

1251
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:46,960
hotel room are going to kick ass tonight

1252
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:49,440
and we won't be there yeah they're the

1253
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,720
ones who are going to be seeing the real

1254
00:46:12,069 --> 00:45:52,319
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1255
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1256
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1257
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1258
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1259
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1261
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1280
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:09,920
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1281
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,390
richard oh as amazing as this convention

1282
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:32,160
is it's it's not quite as amazing as

1283
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,520
that show that we just listened to that

1284
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:35,280
ghost adventure it wasn't it wasn't it

1285
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,640
interesting that when i tried the ouija

1286
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:38,640
board nothing happened

1287
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:40,640
when one of the the guides and a lot of

1288
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:42,800
other people yeah put their hand on the

1289
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:45,119
planchette but it's a ouija board it was

1290
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:46,720
scooting all around the part

1291
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:48,800
it's your skeptical touch yeah you're

1292
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,790
i must say this convention has been

1293
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:02,880
quite unconventional

1294
00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:05,119
what an unconventional convention

1295
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,560
we can walk up here and look through the

1296
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,160
glass

1297
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:10,480
they're looking at us now stefan i know

1298
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:12,640
are we actually are we the ones on

1299
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:15,440
display or are they on display

1300
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:16,640
we're getting funny looks through the

1301
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:18,240
glass i think we want to see look this

1302
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:25,109
very exciting coming up over the next

1303
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:27,040
weeks and lots of night interviews from

1304
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:28,640
all the stars here at the australian

1305
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:30,319
skeptics national convention i know he's

1306
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:32,160
been locked in rooms with michael

1307
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,720
marshall with dr coltraniski he's been

1308
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,559
chatting to the skeptic's guide people

1309
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,160
all that coming up material for the next

1310
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,839
two years but

1311
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:41,359
the next show is a bit of a mystery to

1312
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:43,040
me because i'm going to be on the road

1313
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:45,920
for the whole week with james randy oh

1314
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,109
yeah randy randy's in the country at the

1315
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:59,040
moment he's having a rest before the big

1316
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:01,280
it all happens so i look forward to

1317
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,559
meeting lots of skeptics and all those

1318
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,640
capital cities as we do the show

1319
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:06,720
and hopefully along the way i'll be able

1320
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:08,480
to uh bring you interviews with randy

1321
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:09,280
and

1322
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:10,720
what's happening i'm not sure we'll see

1323
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:12,880
how we go this the skeptical world is

1324
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,079
just getting bigger and bit it's

1325
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:16,480
expanding like a universe like a young

1326
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,559
lady it is like a skeptic's guide to the

1327
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:20,720
united states and it's expanding in

1328
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:22,480
inverse proportion to my wallet because

1329
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,839
i'm going to spend all my money on on

1330
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,359
all the merchandise looking at stefan's

1331
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:29,680
wallet now it's shrinking rapidly

1332
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:31,200
because there's so much merchandise

1333
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,559
the skeptics guys have got some uh

1334
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:34,079
t-shirts happening we've got some

1335
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,680
jewelry here with daleks and things

1336
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:37,599
happening over there yeah it's great

1337
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,880
well i'm i'm about to buy them all

1338
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:42,240
why don't you do that well thanks for

1339
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,079
coming along stephanie it's fantastic

1340
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:46,240
this is what a scene here it's just such

1341
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:48,160
a scene it's great to be part of it it's

1342
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:49,680
great to be part of it but until next

1343
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,079
week from who knows where somewhere

1344
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:54,319
along the road in australia yes this is

1345
00:50:02,390 --> 00:49:56,559
the skeptic zone signing off signing off

1346
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:03,990
you've been listening to the skeptic

1347
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:05,599
zone